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Aug 2, 2010 54

There's a very good chance that a lot of what Patrice O'Neal says will offend you. And there's an equal chance he'll say something that will change your outlook. So it makes sense that Marc, in the midst of emotional turmoil, would turn to a sturdy, non-polarizing voice like Patrice's. Expect some analogies. Lots and lots of analogies.

54 Comments
  • almost three years ago
    Daniel
    RIP Big fella, I am going to miss hearing you laugh on the radio and hearing your crazed vulcan logic.
  • almost three years ago
    Deep Fried Fingers
    R.I.P. Patrice
    You will truly be missed.
  • almost three years ago
    Kirk
    This interview has a whole new level of meaning now. RIP Patrice.
  • three and a half years ago
    Flengenmunsenhausenberten
    Did you laugh? Then Patrice's main goal was accomplished, whether he's full of shit or not.
  • three and a half years ago
    G
    Great episode..
  • almost four years ago
    D.
    Disgusting misogyny. I get where he's coming from on race, but that shit about women was just inexcusable. All that caveman shit about kings and queens? Yuck.
  • almost four years ago
    Conway
    Patrice is my favorite. Though this interview was good, he seemed off. If you liked it, check out other things he has done and you will adore it.

    I recommend his old show, "Black Phillip"
  • over four years ago
    JafafaHots
    Different racial views? That's not insulting to me, because it's not possible for a fucking moron to insult me. It IS insulting however to people concerned about actual race issues.

    Patrice himself said he was convicted of STATUTORY RAPE. Statutory rape is when you fuck someone underage. PERIOD. It doesn't matter what color you are, what color the underage person is, or what color the person listening to the podcast is.

    Some states have ages of consent as low as 15, other's don't. NY's is 17. Some states have "Romeo and Juliet" laws, where it's not statutory rape if the age difference is only 2 years. Others don't.

    Statutory rape charge only has to do with the age of the person. NOT, whatever Patrice or you might think, about whether or not "she lied."

    When he says he was convicted because "she lied," he's either misunderstanding the law, or just not owning up to his shit. Because it doesn't matter whether she lied or NOT, as long as he had sex with her.

    Now, you might argue that the age difference was so minor that the law should be different, and I might agree with you, although the fact that it was NOT some "Romeo and Juliet" romance between teens, but rather "pulling a train" in Patrice's own words would tend to undermine that argument, and instead seem to indicate that the kid was being used as a piece of meat.

    I don't need to calm my ass down, I am calm. I also don't need to "know" what you say, because unlike your ignorant ass I don't make a habit of considering incorrect information "knowledge."

    Tell it to the fucking judge that it's not statutory rape - guess what - that's where you're wrong too. The LAW calls it, that's why Patrice got his ass locked up.

    Different racial views? How would you know what race I am? Beef with Patrice? Not really. I do think he's sexist and a misogynist, but I think that because he fucking IS (unless it's just part of his act). He's also a fucking coward.

    If he said "I was convicted of statutory rape because she was underage, but I think the law is wrong" or if he said "I was young and I fucked up" that would be one thing - but instead he takes a total cop-out.

    I hope you're not saying that seeing women as meat, as inferior, as subject to men, to be dominated by men, and seeing it as OK to gang fuck a 15 year old kid (willing or not) is simply a "different racial view," because if so I know a hell of a lot of men and women of color who would be seriously fucking offended by that generalization.
  • over four years ago
    ShutUp
    @JafafaHots Seriously? stfu. "He was sent to prison for fucking an underage kid." He was 17 she was 15. You're acting like he just pulled that shit yesterday. Seems like you got beef with Patrice, different racial views probably? You need to calm your ass and know that a 2 year difference in age is not rape no matter who the fuck calls it.
  • over four years ago
    JafafaHots
    Sent to prison on a lie? NO. That's not the truth, that's just Patrice showing his inability to take responsibility for his own actions.

    Statutory rape is when you have sex with someone underage EVEN WHEN THEY ARE WILLING. 15 was below the age of consent. Even if the girl had been saying "yeah, we had sex but I wanted to." Even if she had said "it was my idea, I wanted sex with him, please leave him alone" it STILL would legally be statutory rape.

    If the girl lied and called it rape and that had been convincing, he would not have been convicted of statutory rape, he would have been convicted of RAPE, period, and that would have had a MUCH longer prison sentence attached to it.

    Statutory rape charge means that they DIDN'T charge him with forcing himself on her, it meant that she may have been willing but was too young to be legally able to consent. That's simply a legal fact, regardless of whether she lied about being willing. If she had claimed to have seduced him - STILL, came charge. Statutory rape.

    Now, maybe you think the law is wrong, that's one thing. But it's BULLSHIT to say that he was sent to prison on a lie, and him saying that shows he's in denial. He was sent to prison for fucking an underage kid, and he doesn't deny that he did that.
  • over four years ago
    Mike B.
    Patrice Oneil is really funny for a racist, misogynistic rapist. If you like racism, I think David Duke has a set tonight at the Chuckle-Hut!
  • over four years ago
    tdu
    It's shocking to read that people consider this guy intelligent. Someone used the word 'delusional' earlier in the comments, and that pretty much sums him up. He loves to hear himself talk even when he has nothing to say. I love the show, but it would be hard to call this episode an 'interview'. It's just rambling.
  • over four years ago
    Alaska
    I don't know why people complain about the analogies, because analogies aren't meant to be exact but to paint a picture to express a concept that might be hard to explain. Sharks and Penguins are really meant to be about power struggle between men and women as equals but a man is not supposed to be submissive.

    Women and Black people have a similar problem. They are trying to exist in a world controlled by white men, but they are trying to gain the respect of white men by copying white men. The problem is that the position isn't honest to core of what they are, and the will never be respected by white men as such. White men will never understand their privilege opposed to the position of others. Therefore, it is a fruitless exercise to try to assimilate.

    The reality is that he is, for the most part, accurate about the race issue. Race discussions aren't honest. White people fear being called a racist so they won't be honest about their opinions and racism is the foundation of this country but they are so blind that it isn't even conceivable to them is some instances.

    Black people will always be on the outside even from the inside.

  • over four years ago
    Joe Money
    That interview was awesome! Who else from Tough Crowd can we get on here? Colin Quinn? Rich Vos? Nick DiPaolo? Judy Gold?
  • over four years ago
    sev
    To DrVoke

    Re: "Personality types are too diverse for such a simplistic understanding of human relationships."

    I don't think Patrice or anyone on this thread is purporting that it's ONLY this or that way for ALL relationships and couples. Stereotypes are based on real patterns, just are observations like these.

    I dated a lot of women before getting married, know a significant number of other married couples, and some of these points definitely ring true for me. Of course, there are always exceptions to the rule.

    For instance, I'm sure there are a few female great whites out there that like dating polar bears and t-rexes.
  • over four years ago
    MichaelPG
    Wow, this thread is blowing up.
    I'm surprised that among the allegations of sexism and all the other bullshit that people are hurling at him no one bothered to note that
    THE MAN WAS SENT TO PRISON ON A GODDAMN LIE.

    It colored his view of everything. It's his reality.
    When I was a sophomore in high school a girl accused me of sexual harassment. Why? I asked her friend to the prom instead of her. She invented lie after lie about me. Many people disbelieved it because they knew she was insane. But it traumatized 15-year-old me because some people believed it or thought that it was possible. I was called for an emergency meeting in the principal's office, and it almost went to court. It colored my view of women for the rest of my life.
    I know this dude's struggle in that regard. I don't pretend to know his struggle insofar as it involves race.
    But as Dicaprio's character said to his friend in "The Departed," "You're a black man in Boston. You don't need my help to be completely fucked."
  • over four years ago
    Terry1
    Patrice O'Neal, convicted rapist.
  • over four years ago
    Hey Now
    libsyn comment moderation = GHEY
  • over four years ago
    Hey Now
    This podcast is easily in my my top 5 marc maron pod casts of all time. More funny black people who hate white people please!
  • over four years ago
    adam
    Best show yet.
  • over four years ago
    Joe
    You and H. Stern are the best interviewers practicing today. This was incredible. I listened to it on the way home today and couldn't believe my ears. I must have done a double take a dozen times. I don't know if I love the guy or hate him, but the honesty blew me away. His take on "the N-word" was brilliant.
  • over four years ago
    Katie
    Great interview choice, Marc. Patrice managed to evoke both anger and pity in me. Analogies can help elucidate reality, but they can also be used to equivocate and hide from it. It sounded like Patrice falls into the latter category rather than the former when dealing with women. Women aren't fish, queens, sad creatures, or (sigh) bitches - they're human beings. Human beings who have to deal with the same legal, social and economic systems that men do without benefiting from a long history of being on top of those systems. What he posited didn't sound deep or edgy; it sounded like the same gender essentialist status quo that's been playing out for ages getting reframed and reiterated as some kind of comedic truth. I feel sadness for him. That sounds like a hard way to live. Too bad he can't yet speak as directly about institutionalized sexism as he can about institutionalized racism.
  • over four years ago
    noah
    "evolutionary psychology, and Leykis 101, convincingly delineates" -Swing
    I guess since that was written with an academic tinge i will agree with you, even though you mention none of this TRUTH, in your post.
    DOUCHE
    Patrice is funny and real, believe it when i tell you (or don't) that if you had spent a day in his shoes, or ones like them, you would not so quickly dismiss his premises.

  • over four years ago
    DrVoke
    I don't think there is anything wrong, in a general sense, with having a viewpoint on relationships like Patrice has. Everyone is free to structure their relationships however they see fit.

    The only problem comes when you use deceptive or violent coercion to manipulate another person into investing in a relationship with you. That's abuse. But it doesn't seem like this is what Patrice is doing (though you can never be sure just from one public interview); He was honest about his viewpoints, and as long as any potential women he wants to hook up with understand their place as he sees it, they're just two free agents in voluntary association.

    In a very real sense, I think all this talk about kings, queens, sharks, and penguins and shit is just a gobbledygoop way of talking about success and ambition in human mating. The idea that women can't be happy with a man who lets her walk all over him (my paraphrasing) is too close to the evolutionary psychological notion that women (historically and in general) are attracted to ambitious and successful, and thus powerful, men to be mere coincidence, though distorted through a misogynistic lens.

    As gross as it is to look at after it's been filtered through truly spiteful social and cultural biases, someone with this sort of opinion has more insight into what drives their own human behavior than most people.

    That sort of brings me to my next point, which is that honesty isn't a crime, but ignorance is. Especially for a middle-class person in the internet age. It's great that Patrice is willing to be honest about his opinions and his philosophy on relationships, but it's absolute manure. Personality types are too diverse for such a simplistic understanding of human relationships. Ambition, success, power, and all these things may influence female mating decisions, but because we lack the same evolutionary pressures that made them prominent 100,000 years ago (i.e., in the west where Patrice's style of patriarchy has fallen out of favor, children aren't going to starve to death because a feckless man failed to hunt the big game, etc...), everyone has been slowly adapting to the new order by finding surrogate traits by which to judge potential mates.

    In other words, if to our very old brain which hasn't changed much since the dawn of man, all potential mates for a woman are pretty much equally capable of helping to produce viable offspring that will survive long enough to produce and care for its own offspring, we have to find more diverse, less evolutionarily relevant traits by which to differentiate mates.

    The opposite argument, and what seems to be the implied argument of Patrice's philosophy, is that we should reduce back to a state of nature, "red in tooth and claw" so that people will be more comfortable with the simple choices presented to them, instead of embracing the complex and sometimes frustrating diversity of personalities presented to us in modern relationship-making.
  • over four years ago
    Solomon Raabe
    I'm now halfway through and just to be clear, I don't disagree with Patrice or even feel the need to correct him, I simply have a different way of seeing things.
    The thing he said about jews, having a bad guy, O.K.(and I left a comment similar to this on you tube) this is an indisputed fact (based on the histories and records available to us) jews were slaves in Egypt for so long that they were slaves in Egypt before humans wrote down their history, or even had paper or animal skin to write our history on. And just for those who don't know, Egypt is in africa. The thing is, the best revenge is to live better, Adam Sandler isn't living in Africa feeling entitled and angry and bitter, he just made a career for himself in a country where that anger won't always be under the surface whenever you talk to a person who was born a certain way, and I'm not even sticking up for one or the other, I'm just saying "if you think that racism is the root of all your problems...how do you believe that more racism will help the situation". (as far as being mad at a person for being born with white skin)
  • over four years ago
    Solomon Raabe
    I didn't like it when Mark interrupted and said "this might not be everyones situation", then Patrice says "this might be Bullshit", but from my perspective Patrice is right and plus he isn't thinking of this for the first time, I think this hypothesis was shown to him a long time ago and after about the thousanth time confirming his hypothesis, it becomes science, because it can be repeated over and over, no matter the situation.
  • over four years ago
    RB
    I like his honesty--some of it made sense, some didn't; but he's not afraid to say what's on his mind. I think it's terrible that he couldn't get into Canada for something he did when he was a teenager. The gov. needs to figure out a way to categorize crimes less crudely to filter out the real threats, and to give people a clean slate eventually, if deserved.
  • over four years ago
    Lenny
    Women are, in general, manipulative beings. See, they have a pussy and a pussy is the ultimate beam of power used to toil men. A hot pussy can make or break any man. Just ask Tiger. Men become submissive to a women. Though Patrice talks a good game and thinks he's King in his relationship, the reality is that women are much more intelligent than men and in conjunction with the pussy, they're too much of a weapon. Men are generally fucked when it comes to the love game.
  • over four years ago
    a black 17 year old kid
    this is THE interview i've been waiting for since I started listening to WTF (2 months ago~ maybe?) .... definitely two of my favorite comedians out .... the fact white people have been offended by Patrice means that he was probably spot on
  • over four years ago
    Joe Tily
    ". . . This is almost pimp shit . . ."

    A nice and raw episode. I thought he was full of it in places but very honest and candid none the less. Truly great Podcasting!
  • over four years ago
    A Racist
    The "N Word" was invented so that you can say the word nigger!
  • over four years ago
    Chief Macho
    Awesome conversation. Just awesome. I think it's my favorite so far.
  • over four years ago
    Food
    "they are dating their food."
  • over four years ago
    sev
    I'm in the middle of a divorce with a woman and he shares a lot my sentiments. My soon to be ex-wife is one of those confused women who felt that compromising in our relationship was somehow being submissive. But that's what marriage is - two people submitting and compromising with each other. She accuses me of turning her into what I wanted her to be but the reality is that she never knew what she wanted to be.

    All I did was work my ass off to give her what she wanted, first it was grad school, then it was a baby, then it was selling my house and moving us away from her first ex-husband (father of her first son), then it was buying a big house. She had the pleasure of being a stay at home mother during the early, formulative years with our son. I worked at home - enjoyed my work - and participated with housework and the kids. I did both roles, but it was never enough.

    I thought working hard and being more of a father than my father was enough, but it wasn't.

    What it boils down to is that in this post-feminism era, women are still battling with the search for equality - striving to be men and compete with them - while at the same time looking down on them. They don't know what they want their men to be because what they think they want them to be is not men. Yet they are still attracted to me. They are battling with their unconscious biological programming that has been ingrained in them for centuries.

    A King and Queen - it works and being a Queen is not a bad thing. It's fucking nature!

    Don't get me wrong - I never saw myself as above my Wife. But to her, I made her feel small. The reality is that she made herself feel that way. Her first husband was food - a fucking penguin. Pushover, village idiot. She ate him and moved on to me - type A overachiever with a sense of humor and a strong presence and a soft side.

    Not only did I bring home the bacon, I did the laundry, I changed diapers, and I cooked.

    I didn't totally agree with Patrices racial views, but I'd defitely love to hang with the guy. Laughed out a loud more than once and some of his analogies are spot on.

    "You ain't even got no boat"
  • over four years ago
    some_idiot
    Instantly one of my favorites.
  • over four years ago
    Mongo
    Mongo like rape.
  • over four years ago
    Tim
    Hi Marc!

    A new relationship? are you boning your roommate?

    That is awesome. Please, please please please don't fuck this up again.


    This broadcast is a MUST LISTEN TO FOR EVERY MAN ON PLANET EARTH. Women may find the misogyny a bit challenging.

    I look up to you Marc. I think you are a good example of how to arrange a brain. Its so important to be honest AND funny. I love your shows and look forward to them.

    This interview with Patrice O'Neil is the greatest audio broadcast of this or the last century...

    the truths Patrice reveals will either enlighten or drive you insane!


    Namaste,

    Tim
  • over four years ago
    Cactus Sally
    Listening to Patrice O'Neal was a lot like riding in the back seat of a car with a drunk driver at the wheel. Just when you think he's going down an embankment into the lake, he yanks the car back on the road. That lurch to the left? Just avoiding the dead skunk in the road. He says something that makes you laugh, then runs a bicyclist off the road while trying to dig something out of the glove box. When the car finally comes to a stop, the overwhelming feeling of nausea is almost offset by the relief of being back on solid ground. WTF
  • over four years ago
    Gloria
    Patrice is obviously intelligent and thoughtful. He's also a f_cking pig. I'm sure he thinks he's evolved in his thinking on gender issues but, man, what a ways he still has to go.
  • over four years ago
    Doug
    Patrice sure is one ignorant fellow. If there was no racism and sexism he'd have to invent it because he can't justify living without someone to hate.
  • over four years ago
    Felipe
    Hey, "A Lecher Hoist Smut", both Patrice and Craig Robinson are in The Office, they play two different warehouse guys, one's 'Lonny' and the other's 'Darryl'.
  • over four years ago
    Steve C.
    I want to hear a follow-up with Patrice where they talk about their times in Boston, NYC, and the comedy scenes they come from. Great interviewer and interviewee.
  • over four years ago
    Schwing!
    Loved Web Junk, bring it back. Where is the goddamn torrent for Tough Crowd?

    Patrice on sex war is just a poorly articulated gloss on what evolutionary psychology, and Leykis 101, convincingly delineates.

  • over four years ago
    gurthang
    Patrice speaks the truth! When it makes someone squirm in their chair it's just an indication of how full of shit THEY are and how much of their own crap they're afraid of.

    Nice work, Patrice, and excellent chat, Marc!
  • over four years ago
    Krisko
    Hahah, I love Patrice. If I didn't know any better, I'd think that he was one of the spoof guests whose views were so outlandish that they couldn't possibly be true.
  • over four years ago
    eddie
    this one just gets better as it goes on, as always the best of WTF is the honesty and Patrice brings it, as random as he can get...
  • over four years ago
    Jean
    Wow. I kept wondering if he really meant the things he was saying, now I think he did. I hated a lot of what he said but loved his honesty.
  • over four years ago
    A Lecher Hoist Smut
    I have been a fan of Patrice since I saw him on Tough Crowd. So cool.

    He was the warehouse manager on The Office, right?
    Why did they replace him with Craig Robinson?
    I don't think Craig is all that funny, generally.
  • over four years ago
    Steven Doyle
    Patrice, every analogy breaks down at some point; otherwise it'd be a literal description. People are a lot more complex than sharks and penguins.
  • over four years ago
    Todd Mason
    And while O'Neal on sexual dynamics is, I hope, at least somewhat pose, O'Neal on racism (and Boston has been the most blatant center of omnidirectional institutional bigotry, indeed, in recent decades in the US...while, say, Honolulu might've been the most covert) cuts right to it.
  • over four years ago
    Todd Mason
    I'm just impressed how full of shit O'Neal claims to be. Unlike at least one previous guest, it's hard to tell how much he's taking the piss. It's an excremental metaphor interview!
  • over four years ago
    daveinboston
    "Every white person in Hitler's Mustache."

    Awesome. I love Patrice.
  • over four years ago
    Duder
    I love how Patrice seemingly rambles nonsense for ten minutes and then at the end of his point he somehow brings it all together into perfect clarity.

    Great interview.
  • over four years ago
    Toheeb
    Damn, this is always my problem with Patrice. 50% of the time, i freaking agree with him and the other 50%, i think he is a delusional SOB. The good thing is he is funny most of the time.

    Great job Marc having patience with him, i know it was difficult to get a word in, especially for someone like u who likes the sound of his voice. U ROCK dude.